Talk:Battle of Chasiv Yar

This article was nominated for deletion on 25 March 2024. The result of the discussion was keep.

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Moving Chasiv Yar#Russian invasion of Ukraine to this article[edit]

Should we move all of Chasiv Yar#Russian invasion of Ukraine to this article as a background section? That article (Chasiv Yar's) is suffering from a recentism slant. Or should we keep the two separate and only focus on events after the start of the battle? Scu ba (talk) 15:12, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are the battles in Ivanivske (and maybe Bohdanivka?) within scope for this article?[edit]

Ivanivske (and Bohdanivka) control the eastern approaches to Chasiv Yar and are basically on the outskirts of the city, just on the other side of the canal. As far as I've checked, there are no separate articles for either of these 2 battles, so details regarding them are mostly mentioned on their respective city pages, or the larger Eastern Ukraine campaign page. Should details regarding the fighting and claimed capture of Ivanivske by Russia be added to this article?

For example, I could potentially add a "fighting east of the canal" subsection to the battle section of this article, to include the clashes on Chasiv Yar's outskirt settlements of Ivanivske and to a lesser extent, Bohdanivka, to give a more well-rounded view of the situation surrounding Chasiv Yar prior to any actual (future) fighting in the city. But I'm not going to try this unless other editors agree that adding some details of the Ivanivske (and Bohdanivka) battles to this article is on-topic and within scope. So, worth it or no? RopeTricks (talk) 02:52, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you find it within the scope of the battle, then yes. The best measurements for determining the scope of a battle in the war are most likely the ISW assessments, or other sources which give support to the notions or statements. Reaper1945 (talk) 00:32, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Debatable, either they're in this scope, or they're in the scope of the Battle of Bakhmut article. But I'm assuming Russia isn't going to stop any time soon in the area so I think it's fine to include them in this scope. Scu ba (talk) 01:31, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Start date[edit]

I find it questionable to define the start date as when Russian troops entered city boundaries (after all, this isn't called "Battle in Chasiv Yar"). The Russians were already fighting for Chasiv Yar for months. The battle of Bakhmut and Avdiivka articles had a broader start date. Won't revert because I believe soon we'll have better info. Once again I would recommend commenting out older information instead of deleting it outright. Alexis Coutinho (talk) 22:00, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In the case of the Battle of Chasiv Yar, the starting date for the attack on the city may be good, but it should be added that the fighting for the city has actually been going on on the outskirts since December 2023. In the case of the Battle of Avdiivka, the dates are given well. In the case of the Battle of Bakhmut this is no longer the case. Giving July 3, 2022 as the starting date, justifying it with the capture of Lysychansk, is not appropriate. This is not an adequate justification. The attack on the city took place on August 1, 2022, and since the starting date cannot be justified otherwise, this date would have to be chosen as the start date of the battle. The end date as May 20, 2022 selected as the main one, the best end date for the battle is also wrong. Ukraine controlled until the end of November 2023, on November 29, 2023, probably the southwestern part of the city itself and its southwestern outskirts, and still very close to the city, and even in the city itself, less intense fighting took place and even heavy ground attack ones sometimes. Only then was Ukraine completely pushed out of the city and its outskirts and the fight for the city was actually completely over and ended with Russian victory and control of 100% of the administrative borders of the city and its outskirts, so I propose August 1, 2022-November 29, 2023 as the main date range of the battle with the note that there are also other date ranges. Bortak42 (talk) 10:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The fighting WAS at the city limits[edit]

There's a weird disconnected neighborhood that, while not physically connected to the rest of it, is legally part of the city and within the city limits(check google maps). The eastern most part of this eastern detached piece is where fighting has broken out over the first row of houses at the edge of the suburbs on April 4th. So the article should not be deleted. 2604:3D09:1F80:CA00:F532:E428:6F0D:FC89 (talk) 00:39, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Krasnohorivka[edit]

Some of you might be interested in building the Battle of Krasnohorivka article. See Talk:Battle of Krasnohorivka#Battle has begun. I've also added an entry to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Ukraine/Requests page. Cheers. Alexis Coutinho (talk) ^[ping me] 20:47, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@RopeTricks: 😊. Alexis Coutinho (talk) ^[ping me] 23:52, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

working on it RopeTricks (talk) 01:05, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Storm-Z has not been active since June 24th 2023, it has been replaced with storm-V so it shouldn't be listed in the "units involved" list. If you could please change it. AshtonWest032 (talk) 13:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Charliehdb (talk) 09:50, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Storm Z haven't existed since June 24, 2023 according to many sources including the Wikipedia page about storm z https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm-Z . but its still included as a "unit involved" please fix this. AshtonWest032 (talk) 13:10, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly which sources are they? Please clarify. 2003 LN 6 16:33, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Breakthrough in Eastern Chasiv Yar[edit]

In recent days there has been a Russian breakthrough and advances in the eastern part of the city and this could be added to the battle and describe these advances.